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St. George,UT,U.S.A

Member Since:

Apr 02, 2005

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Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

97th at Boston

1:09:40 Half Marathon

2:25:50 Marathon

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Get healthy enough to enjoy a run again.

Long-Term Running Goals:

To be able to do it... long term. 

Personal:

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the Gift" -Steve Prefontaine

Live your life. Take chances. Be crazy. Don't wait. Because right now is the oldest you've ever been and the youngest you'll be... ever again.

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Total Distance
15.00

15 of the very  worst miles ever this morning. I felt like today was going to be  trouble and it turned out to be worse than I'd planned for. Up at 3:30 a.m and at the  track running by 4 a.m with Logan and Dave. We started off with 3 miles of warm-up in GS and then 2 miles at Tinman tempo pace. Both of these felt strained but doable-  however I really feared the track. Now we start the 1000's- 3:17 on the first one (slower than any of the ones I did two weeks ago). 3:17 on the second, 3:18 on the third and starting to fall apart. Then 3:29 on the forth and it hurt like @#$% the whole time. I actually got really worried after the first lap and backed off but it still hurt. After I finished I told the guys to keep going and I'd just go run out on the road up into GS. So I went out 3.5 miles and then back. I hit a total of 3 potty stops this morning- but that wasn't the only or main problem. On the last two miles coming back to the HS I was dizzy and running all over the road, and most importantly both hamstrings and calves had knots in them and the legs were hurting worse than at the end of a marathon. 

I'm trying to figure out what was going on. Basically I feel that maybe these two big workouts a week might be too much. I'm just not recovering from them. In fact today I think I'm still not recovered from the mile workout Logan and I did last Wednesday night. I know that these harder/ speed type workouts are working and getting me faster, but I also feel like I'm one workout away from injury...

So I'm not sure what I'll do from here on out. For now I'm just going to try and run very easy the rest of the week. Then go see April  for a massage on Saturday- then let that sink in over the weekend and I'll try the Tinman workout on Monday and play it by ear.  Thank goodness I don't have to run the rest of the day. I plan on resting all day long and trying to get caught up on what I figure is a weeks worth of sleep I've got behind on over the last two weeks. That could be a factor too. 

(Red Stratus- 476) 

Comments
From Dustin on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:03:25

That's too bad you're not feeling the best. Probably some rest will help. I've still been fighting this hip issue. It seems like whenever I try to do a hard workout or a long run, the hip starts acting up.

From steve ashbaker on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:11:34

Clyde, Is there possibly a more humane time of day to do that workout? I mean really.. Your throwing off your body and it's circadian rhythms by doing so and in the end all it does is end up being sub-par and not beneficial. I know this because I used to work graveyard shifts and work run at all different hours of the day. All it did was get me overtrained. Just food for thought because I know how much effort and work you have put in this year.

From Paul Petersen on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54:33

I agree with Steve that the 4AM thing is not doing you any favors. Everyone is different, but personally I can't get going that early...the nervous system just isn't awake yet (to borrow some Sasha terminology).

Also, there's no way I could handle Monday-Wednesday. I usually stagger Monday-Thursday for the reason of one extra day of recovery.

Secondly, I've been looking over your paces. Your tinman pace looks right on, but your intervals looked a bit aggressive. For instance, you were averaging 3:14 for your CV 1000's...that is about 32:15 for 10K, which is faster than your 10K PR (and 5K PR for that matter). CV pace is the pace you can hold for 45 minutes, so is closer to 13K pace for you. You were closer to V02Max pace. 3:20 might be more appropriate. Last weeks miles might have been a little fast too, but I don't know what the course or the wind was like. Also, don't be afraid to run 8-minute pace on your easy days. And don't be afraid to cut back mileage a little either. Mileage is great, but big workouts are better. You can always cut back on doubles. 90-100 mpw is still quite a load on 6 days/week.

Finally, some of your fatigue could easily be from the water skiing and other activities last week. Non-running activities tend to trash our fragile muscles (I was sore for a full week after playing ultimate frisbee last year). I recall you being pretty messed over from skiing last year right before Bryce (abdominal strain?), so don't underestimate its effect on your body.

My point is to not give up on the big workouts. Instead, modify things a bit to find your comfort zone, such as keeping Big Workout days to just one run, running later in the day, running your intervals slower, running your easy runs slower, spacing out the Workouts farther, and even shifting one workout to Saturday's long run instead of during the week to give more recovery time.

Just a few thoughts!

From RivertonPaul on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:51:18

Clyde -- as a lurker, I really enjoy your blogging. Hope things improve. Its incredible to be able to see such great feedback from people like Steve and Paul.

Paul -- for Tinman tempo do you use 5k place plus 15% or just 5k plus one minute? I've seen it described as both.

From Paul Petersen on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:04:16

Riverton - I've seen Tinman describe it several ways as well. Usually I end up doing 50s/mile faster than 5K pace on a good day, and 60s/mile faster than 5K on a "heavy leg" day. The 15% rule falls in the middle somewhere. For example, the fastest 5K I ran last year was 15:23 (4:55/mile), and most of my tempos were between 5:45-5:55 pace flat, slower than 6-pace on uphills, and

From Superfly on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:30:29

Thanks for all of your help. The time really does stink but it's almost an unwinnable war. We have to go early so we can all be done and to our job stuff, and if we wait until afternoon/ evening it's just too hot. I don't know what the news said it was here yesterday but they always have it wrong. It was 109 at my house yesterday at 5:30 p.m. But I agree that's a big one.

Paul- thanks for putting things in prospective for me. I'm going to "stay on the bus" with a few tweeks to the program. Slowing things down during big workouts will help and then possibly cutting some of the mileage off the top as well. I also think a trip to April will work wonders to refresh the system. The non-running things have played a major factor on me the last two weeks. Running aside I'm just trashed around the house and at work... Then out running I just feel doomed. So I'm glad that is all over too and I can get back to life. I think this morning was a comb of everything in the universe tag teaming me to death. Things can only get better! Thats the good part about it.

From Paul Petersen on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:37:44

Another perspective is that training is simply a series of battles that comprise the larger war. It's okay to lose a bunch of battles en route to winning the war. Take a look at my training blog from last year, and I had several workouts that I either cut short, missed my target times badly, or never even started. You just have to stay flexible and adaptable, be willing to lose a couple battles for the greater good, and stay focused on the long-term. Easing back on pace and/or mileage may be losing a battle, but it's ultimately a win if it prevents burn-out.

From Superfly on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:45:57

Yeah I read your blog almost everyday last year and coming into these series I told myself that I didn't have to complete the schedule at 100%. It's just hard because I'm so competitive about things- it eats me up when I can nail a workout. Although that attitude could lead to disaster.

From Jon on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 22:18:37

If it makes you feel better, you did twice as many repeats today as I did before I pulled the plug. Must be something in the water today. Take a look.

http://jon.fastrunningblog.com/

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